In Chapter 4 of 12 in his 2011 Capture Your Flag interview with host Erik Michielsen, product designer and software engineer Chris Hinkle shares the ups and downs associated with building a high tech career without high school or college degrees. Hinkle notes the recruiting and interviewing challenges presented when a large company learns about his non-traditional education background. He also notes the upside and how his alternative learning approach has allowed him to tailor an experience learning education around his interests. Hinkle currently designs products and develops software for The Barbarian Group digital marketing services company. Previously, he worked at HUGE and R/GA digital advertising agencies. He has also founded a product incubation laboratory, The Hinkle Way.